Re: Code of Conduct at events

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:33:23PM +0100, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Adrian Bunk <bunk(at)stusta(dot)de> [101111 19:40]:
> > The level of proof required at court is not that extremely high, and
> > if you don't reach that level of proof there's a high probability
> > that the person is not guilty.
>
> Almost every juristdiction has some "without reasonable doubt" in it.
> Puting people into jail or requesting fines in something serious.
> Telling someone "Sorry, but after what happened and while the
> authorities said there is not enough proof, we do not want other
> attendees having to fear you. Would you mind leaving/not coming?"
> (and formulating that more decided if not followed voluntary) is
> something that does not need as much proof.

I don't like this "we have no proof but think you are guilty" attitude
that has a high probability of also hitting innocent people.

And in the case of an unproven sexual assault you know that one of the
two persons is lying, but you don't know which. [1]
Which person do you want to kick out?
Both the alleged offender and the alleged victim?
Flip a coin?
The person the organiser likes less?

And how would you feel if a woman would wrongly accuse you of a sexual
assault, and even though the court says you are not guilty you would
get kicked out of all FOSS conferences and FOSS projects?

And to make it worse, what if your paid work depends on participating
in FOSS projects and conferences?

> Bernhard R. Link

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Adrian

[1] Think e.g. of the current Kachelmann rape trial where you know that
one of the persons is lying, but it is non-trivial to figure out
which side it is.

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