Re: Meeting log for 2009-04-15

Pretty short meeting, tidying up loose ends from previous months. I'm
a little disappointed that the incomplete minutes for March 19th, 2008
were approved without any marking that the guest list is incomplete,
but more disappointed that no-one's yet asked projects to get on and
spend. Are developers on SPI-associated projects immune to the
recession and don't need these funds?

The responses might be an interesting thing for the annual report...

HIGHLIGHTS

<bdale> [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public
Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order.
Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the
web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2009/2009-04-15.html

[item 2, Roll Call]
<cdlu> David Graham <schultmc> Michael Schultheiss
<linuxpoet> Joshua D. Drake <luk> Luk Claes
<bdale> Bdale Garbee <zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas
<Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert <Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz (item 4 on)

[item 3, President's Report]
<bdale> Nothing exciting today. All of last week I was in San
Francisco for the CELF Embedded Linux Conference and LF Collaboration
Summit, but have little to report from that of interest to SPI
members.

[item 4, Treasurer's Report]
<schultmc> treasurer's report was mailed out this morning and is
posted in the agenda only comment I have is to reiterate my comments
from last month (encouraging projects to spend rather than hoard
funds) I can send a message to -projects

[item 5, Secretary's report]
<Hydroxide> nothing to add to what's in the agenda as of a few minutes
before the meeting :) I do want people opinions on whether OpenWRT's
acceptance meets the terms of the resolution I notified Gregers
Petersen and the openwrt-hackers email list of SPI's invitation to
become an SPI associated project with Gregers as sole liaison, and
mentioned the 60-day deadline of May 17, 2009. I checked with them on
April 14th, and Gregers replied on the 15th accepting the offer with
himself serving "as main liaison, and Andy Boyett as second/back-up
liaison." Unless the Board deems the existence of a second/back-up
liaison to be at odd

<Hydroxide> I agree it's fine. just thought I'd run it by you all in
that case, glp, are you there? I'm happy now to say to OpenWRT:
Welcome to SPI! :-)

[item 6, Outstanding minutes]

"Approve March 19, 2008 minutes": Yes: 7, No: 0, Abstain: 1

"Approve March 18, 2009 minutes": Yes: 7, No: 0, Abstain: 1

[item 8, Any other business]
<luk> Steve McIntyre got reelected [as DPL] and I'll will be delegated
as assistant :-)

[item 9, Next board meeting]
<bdale> Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, at 20:00 UTC

21:16:58 <bdale> *GAVEL*

TIMED LOG

21:00:05 <bdale> *GAVEL*
21:00:05 <bdale> [item 1, Opening] Welcome to today's Software in the Public Interest board of directors meeting, which is now called to order.
21:00:05 <bdale> Today's agenda and details of pending resolutions can be found on the web at: http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2009/2009-04-15.html
21:00:05 <bdale> [item 2, Roll Call]
21:00:06 <bdale> Board members, please state your name for the record. As we have nine board members, quorum for today's meeting is six.
21:00:09 <bdale> Guests (including board advisors), please /msg your names to Hydroxide if you wish your attendance to be recorded in the minutes of this meeting.
21:00:10 <cdlu> David Graham
21:00:12 <bdale> I think I saw regrets from Neil?
21:00:15 <schultmc> Michael Schultheiss
21:00:15 <linuxpoet> Joshua D. Drake
21:00:16 <luk> Luk Claes
21:00:19 <linuxpoet> bdale: yes
21:00:20 <cdlu> bdale, I saw them too
21:00:28 <bdale> Bdale Garbee
21:00:32 <zobel> Martin Zobel-Helas
21:00:51 <devil> Ferdinand Thommes
21:01:14 <bdale> ok, cool
21:01:18 <bdale> looks like we have quorum
21:01:19 <cdlu> one short for quorum
21:01:29 <bdale> oh, sorry, you're right
21:01:32 <linuxpoet> tap tap tap
21:01:35 <bdale> who are we expecting but missing?
21:01:35 <schultmc> cdlu: no, that's six
21:01:36 <zobel> Ganneff: ^^
21:01:41 * cdlu pokes hydroxide
21:01:43 <bdale> Ferdnand isn't a board member
21:01:47 <cdlu> yes but one of them is not a board member
21:01:50 <schultmc> cdlu, schultmc, linuxpoet, luk, bdale, zobel
21:01:54 <schultmc> ^^ 6
21:01:54 <Ganneff> Joerg Jaspert
21:01:57 <schultmc> 7
21:02:01 <zobel> great.
21:02:01 <luk> right, I think some cannot count :-)
21:02:09 <bdale> trying to count with a phone in one ear is HARD
21:02:38 <luk> anyway 7 board members are present
21:02:53 <cdlu> ok :)
21:03:00 <bdale> [item 3, President's Report]
21:03:00 <bdale> Nothing exciting today. All of last week I was in San Francisco for the CELF Embedded Linux Conference and LF Collaboration Summit, but have little to repo
21:03:00 <bdale> rt from that of interest to SPI members.
21:03:00 <bdale> [item 4, Treasurer's Report]
21:03:02 <bdale> Michael?
21:03:11 * cdlu pokes hydroxide
21:03:18 <Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz
21:03:19 <schultmc> treasurer's report was mailed out this morning and is posted in the agenda
21:03:32 <Hydroxide> people came over at work right before the meeting started, unfortunately. I'm free again now.
21:03:44 <schultmc> only comment I have is to reiterate my comments from last month (encouraging projects to spend rather than hoard funds)
21:03:59 <bdale> schultmc: do we need to take any explicit action on that?
21:04:20 <schultmc> bdale: I can send a message to -projects
21:04:26 <bdale> sounds like a good plan
21:04:34 <bdale> [item 5, Secretary's report]
21:04:34 <bdale> Jimmy?
21:04:55 <Hydroxide> bdale: nothing to add to what's in the agenda as of a few minutes before the meeting :)
21:05:10 <Hydroxide> I do want people opinions on whether OpenWRT's acceptance meets the terms of the resolution
21:05:26 <bdale> that was since I read the agenda... care to elaborate briefly?
21:05:31 <Hydroxide> I think it does, but I wasn't one of the more vocal people arguing for a single liaison
21:05:57 <Hydroxide> I'll just paste the few lines I added
21:06:10 <Hydroxide> I notified Gregers Petersen and the openwrt-hackers email list of SPI's invitation to become an SPI associated project with Gregers as sole liaison, and mentioned the 60-day deadline of May 17, 2009. I checked with them on April 14th, and Gregers replied on the 15th accepting the offer with himself serving "as main liaison, and Andy Boyett as second/back-up liaison." Unless the Board deems the existence of a second/back-up liaison to be at odd
21:06:17 <Hydroxide> that's the whole secretary's report
21:06:22 <bdale> ok
21:06:36 <bdale> I can live with that, I think. one primary point of contact seems to meet our needs.
21:06:46 <linuxpoet> Well the way postgresql does it, is if I am not available I designate someone as liaison. I believe when I did that the one time I emailed board to let them know
21:06:47 <luk> right
21:06:48 <bdale> any other opinions?
21:06:49 <cdlu> I think it meets the terms. That's merely an instruction from the Liaison to listen to the other. :)
21:07:07 <Hydroxide> I agree it's fine. just thought I'd run it by you all
21:07:08 <bdale> cdlu: right, I think we can interpret it that way and be happy
21:07:26 <Hydroxide> in that case, glp, are you there? I'm happy now to say to OpenWRT: Welcome to SPI! :-)
21:07:28 <cdlu> do we need a motion on this or can we all agree and be happy wrt WRT? :)
21:07:33 <Hydroxide> I think we're all happy now.
21:07:40 * linuxpoet does the Happy Feet
21:07:46 <bdale> let's move on
21:07:52 <bdale> [item 6, Outstanding minutes]
21:07:52 <bdale> Jimmy, we have a couple sets to vote on today?
21:08:24 <Hydroxide> yes. I finally got the remaining info for the March 2008 minutes (thanks to some members on -private for supplementing registered guests list)
21:08:29 <Hydroxide> and did last month's too
21:08:42 * zobel needs to admit to not yet have done the other outstanding ones from Neil yet. :/ i hope to have them finished for the next month.
21:08:44 <Hydroxide> so March '08 and March '09 are ready for voting
21:09:00 * cdlu moves the motion
21:09:04 * schultmc has a comment on march 09
21:09:04 <Hydroxide> I also fixed the typo in Tim Golden's name which bdale mentioned, though it's possible that typo actually occurred during the meeting to :)
21:09:13 <Hydroxide> (in March '09)
21:09:14 <bdale> not sure
21:09:15 <Hydroxide> schultmc: go ahead
21:09:22 <bdale> yes, let's vote
21:09:29 <schultmc> 2009-03-18.mcs.1 isn't listed in appendix b (approved resolutions)
21:09:30 <Hydroxide> schultmc had a comment
21:09:48 <bdale> oh
21:09:52 <bdale> good point
21:10:10 <Hydroxide> yes. if you can wait literally a couple of minutes I'll fix that :)
21:10:13 <bdale> did Slef have a correction? said so in a blog post?
21:10:26 <Hydroxide> I got his correction
21:10:29 <bdale> ok, good
21:10:53 <bdale> if you accept the suggested changes, I'm happy to proceed with a vote on the minutes as amended
21:11:56 <Hydroxide> schultmc: does it look good now?
21:12:17 <Hydroxide> I'll do it as two votes
21:12:19 <schultmc> Hydroxide: yes
21:13:00 <Hydroxide> Voting started, 8 people (hydroxide,schultmc,bdale,cdlu,luk_,linuxpoet,zobel,ganneff) allowed to vote on Approve March 19, 2008 minutes. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
21:13:10 <schultmc> !vote yes
21:13:11 <cdlu> !vote yes
21:13:12 <bdale> !vote yes
21:13:13 <Hydroxide> !vote yes
21:13:14 <linuxpoet> $vote abstain
21:13:18 <zobel> !vote yes
21:13:18 <linuxpoet> !vote abstain
21:13:20 <Ganneff> !vote yes
21:13:34 <Hydroxide> Current voting results for "Approve March 19, 2008 minutes": Yes: 6, No: 0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 1 ( luk_ )
21:13:37 <Hydroxide> erg
21:13:38 <Hydroxide> sorry
21:13:40 <Hydroxide> Voting for "Approve March 19, 2008 minutes" closed.
21:13:41 <luk> !vote yes
21:13:57 <Hydroxide> FOR THE MINUTES: 7 yes, 0 no, 1 abstain
21:14:00 <Hydroxide> good
21:14:11 <bdale> next
21:14:15 <Hydroxide> Voting started, 8 people (hydroxide,schultmc,bdale,cdlu,luk,linuxpoet,zobel,ganneff) allowed to vote on Approve March 18, 2009 minutes. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now.
21:14:19 <schultmc> !vote yes
21:14:20 <bdale> !vote yes
21:14:22 <Ganneff> !vote yes
21:14:22 <luk> sorry, wanted to have a look at the updated ones
21:14:23 <zobel> !vote abstain
21:14:23 <linuxpoet> !vote yes
21:14:24 <Hydroxide> !vote yes
21:14:25 <luk> !vote yes
21:14:28 <cdlu> !vote yes
21:14:32 <Hydroxide> luk: no problem. I also used your wrong nick for the voting script
21:14:35 <Hydroxide> (the first time)
21:14:45 <Hydroxide> Current voting results for "Approve March 18, 2009 minutes": Yes: 7, No: 0, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 ()
21:14:48 <Hydroxide> Voting for "Approve March 18, 2009 minutes" closed.
21:14:49 <Hydroxide> both approved.
21:14:54 <bdale> cool
21:15:01 <bdale> [item 7, Items up for discussion]
21:15:01 <bdale> (none)
21:15:01 <bdale> [item 8, Any other business]
21:15:01 <bdale> Do any board members have other items for discussion they would like to address briefly?
21:15:04 <luk> I even changed my nick before the meeting to have it easy :-)
21:15:11 <Hydroxide> luk: I was used to the old one :)
21:15:31 <luk> Steve McIntyre got reelected
21:15:45 * Hydroxide cheers and congratulates him.
21:15:46 <bdale> yes, noted
21:15:48 <cdlu> luk, first multi-term DPL in years
21:15:51 <luk> and I'll will be delegated as assistant :-)
21:15:53 <bdale> since tbm
21:16:02 <cdlu> ya, tbm was right after you wasn't he?
21:16:05 <bdale> yes
21:16:10 <bdale> he survived 2 years
21:16:19 <bdale> anything else?
21:16:21 <cdlu> not from me
21:16:26 <bdale> [item 9, Next board meeting]
21:16:26 <bdale> I believe our default would be Wednesday, May 20th, 2009, at 20:00 UTC. That date and time is ok for me. Any strong objections?
21:16:32 <Hydroxide> it's fine for me too.
21:16:37 <schultmc> that's fine with me
21:16:39 <linuxpoet> its my birthday
21:16:42 <linuxpoet> so tentative regrets
21:16:47 <Hydroxide> linuxpoet: ok. congrats! :)
21:16:50 <linuxpoet> :)
21:16:58 <bdale> Ok, thank you to everyone present for participating today.
21:16:58 <bdale> *GAVEL*

Hope that helps,
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Hi MJ,

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 09:39:43AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> I'm a little disappointed that the incomplete minutes for March 19th, 2008
> were approved without any marking that the guest list is incomplete,

I don't think I mentioned this explicitly during the meeting, but I did add to
the registered guests list everyone who spoke up during the -private email
thread and said "I was there". I said in the email thread that I was going to
do that, I think, and I said right before the meeting in #spi that I had done
so. I'm really not aware of any other incompleteness, except for any other
registered guests whose registration got lost in Neil's records somewhere and
who didn't speak up on-list.

Also, this line got truncated in your summary and complete logs:

> 21:06:10 <Hydroxide> I notified Gregers Petersen and the openwrt-hackers email list of SPI's invitation to become an SPI associated project with Gregers as sole liaison, and mentioned the 60-day deadline of May 17, 2009. I checked with them on April 14th, and Gregers replied on the 15th accepting the offer with himself serving "as main liaison, and Andy Boyett as second/back-up liaison." Unless the Board deems the existence of a second/back-up liaison to be at odd

Did it show up that way in anyone else's log? (Regardless, the rest of that
line is just the rest of the secretary's report in the agenda as of right
before the meeting.)

- Jimmy Kaplowitz, SPI Secretary
secretary(at)spi-inc(dot)org

On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 09:31 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
> Also, this line got truncated in your summary and complete logs:
>
> > 21:06:10 <Hydroxide> I notified Gregers Petersen and the openwrt-hackers email list of SPI's invitation to become an SPI associated project with Gregers as sole liaison, and mentioned the 60-day deadline of May 17, 2009. I checked with them on April 14th, and Gregers replied on the 15th accepting the offer with himself serving "as main liaison, and Andy Boyett as second/back-up liaison." Unless the Board deems the existence of a second/back-up liaison to be at odd
>
> Did it show up that way in anyone else's log? (Regardless, the rest of that
> line is just the rest of the secretary's report in the agenda as of right
> before the meeting.)

It showed up that way in-channel, the line probably got truncated by the
irc server. You might want to use the splitlong irssi plugin for things
like that.

Cheers,
Julien